Artest not to Blame
Yes, I will say from the outset I am a fan of Ron Artest as a basketball player. As a human being he certainly does have his problems. He gets very emotional when he plays the game of basketball and his opponents know this and they take advantage of it by bating him into situations where he will commit a hard or flagrant foul. However, on this night Ron Artest was innocent.
Artest fouled “Big” Ben Wallace on his way to the basket in what was routinely slow plodding Pistons/Pacers game. I was watching live and saw nothing flagrant in Artest’s actions. Ben Wallace took a vastly different view of the situation (the tape clearly shows Artest did not add anything verbally toward Wallace either) and came right back at Artest and snuffed him. Then, Artest reeling back still did not say or do anything but Wallace pursued. Teammates stepped in and there was the normal pushing and shoving and everything seemed to have calmed down. At this point the refs and coach’s were discussion whatever various technical’s and ejections their might be. That is when the fans of Detroit acted in a manner more despicable than any set of fans I have ever witnessed. Now be aware that I filmed a brawl that puts this thing to shame at a minor league basketball game in Lancaster, PA, but that was mostly instigated by the players and it spilled into the crowd.
I was not totally cognizant if what had happened to provoke Artest and Stephen Jackson to charge into the crowd, but knew it wasn’t for someone just saying something. After watching replays and listening to Jim Gray’s eyewitness account it was clear that a fan came toward Artest and began throwing things on him as he lay calmly on the scorers table enjoy the light hearted after moments of an NBA shoving match. Artest then jumped from the table and charged madly into the stands and began jacking up the dude that threw stuff at him. This next point I will stick to till the day I die, GOOD FOR RON ARTEST!!!! I would have kicked the shit out of the guy too, especially if he was a scrawny white dude like he was. That fan should have the sack to charge right back at Artest if he has the sack to throw shit on him. Most of the other players went into the stands to separate Artest and the fan (sans Stephen Jackson who went in, to quote Keith DeBlasio, throwing haymakers). Both Pistons and Pacers wound up in the stands. While there more fans began to throw stuff on the players and they even began sucker punching Pacer players. I will say it again; here the fans are unequivocally 110% wrong.
Fans do not have any right to be a part of the action. It does not matter how much you pay to go the game, you are a spectator. The definition of spectator is; one who looks on or watches. Nowhere in that definition does it say one who throws drinks, popcorn, haymakers, jump’s over railings, sucker punches participants, etc. They acted in a manner which makes me wonder if the Pistons should be allowed to ever have a home game again. Once the incident had died down and the game was cancelled (again because of the fans it was cancelled) they began to throw as much shit as they could. Fans began jumping over the railing by the Pacers locker room and charging toward Jermaine O’neal and Austin Croshere, for no reason I might add, neither of those guys fouled anybody or punched anyone in the stands. They poured out entire dinks on ever member of the Pacers they could (Reggie Miller and Chuck Person had expensive suites on too). If I were the Pacers I would tell the league that under no circumstances will I bring my players back to Detroit for a game this season. You can make me forfeit or whatever you want, eliminate me from the playoffs, but my players will not be treated to that kind of excessive abuse from fans.
People can post comments back to this and say whatever they want, I do not care. The Pacers and most especially Mr. Artest were the last ones to get involved in this entire incident. You can call Artest a punk or a loser or psycho, but in this case he was provoked by people who have no right to interact with him. I would hope that if anyone threw shit at you and poured stuff on you that you would step up and protect your manhood by throwing the guy through a plate glass window. I certainly know I would.
Artest fouled “Big” Ben Wallace on his way to the basket in what was routinely slow plodding Pistons/Pacers game. I was watching live and saw nothing flagrant in Artest’s actions. Ben Wallace took a vastly different view of the situation (the tape clearly shows Artest did not add anything verbally toward Wallace either) and came right back at Artest and snuffed him. Then, Artest reeling back still did not say or do anything but Wallace pursued. Teammates stepped in and there was the normal pushing and shoving and everything seemed to have calmed down. At this point the refs and coach’s were discussion whatever various technical’s and ejections their might be. That is when the fans of Detroit acted in a manner more despicable than any set of fans I have ever witnessed. Now be aware that I filmed a brawl that puts this thing to shame at a minor league basketball game in Lancaster, PA, but that was mostly instigated by the players and it spilled into the crowd.
I was not totally cognizant if what had happened to provoke Artest and Stephen Jackson to charge into the crowd, but knew it wasn’t for someone just saying something. After watching replays and listening to Jim Gray’s eyewitness account it was clear that a fan came toward Artest and began throwing things on him as he lay calmly on the scorers table enjoy the light hearted after moments of an NBA shoving match. Artest then jumped from the table and charged madly into the stands and began jacking up the dude that threw stuff at him. This next point I will stick to till the day I die, GOOD FOR RON ARTEST!!!! I would have kicked the shit out of the guy too, especially if he was a scrawny white dude like he was. That fan should have the sack to charge right back at Artest if he has the sack to throw shit on him. Most of the other players went into the stands to separate Artest and the fan (sans Stephen Jackson who went in, to quote Keith DeBlasio, throwing haymakers). Both Pistons and Pacers wound up in the stands. While there more fans began to throw stuff on the players and they even began sucker punching Pacer players. I will say it again; here the fans are unequivocally 110% wrong.
Fans do not have any right to be a part of the action. It does not matter how much you pay to go the game, you are a spectator. The definition of spectator is; one who looks on or watches. Nowhere in that definition does it say one who throws drinks, popcorn, haymakers, jump’s over railings, sucker punches participants, etc. They acted in a manner which makes me wonder if the Pistons should be allowed to ever have a home game again. Once the incident had died down and the game was cancelled (again because of the fans it was cancelled) they began to throw as much shit as they could. Fans began jumping over the railing by the Pacers locker room and charging toward Jermaine O’neal and Austin Croshere, for no reason I might add, neither of those guys fouled anybody or punched anyone in the stands. They poured out entire dinks on ever member of the Pacers they could (Reggie Miller and Chuck Person had expensive suites on too). If I were the Pacers I would tell the league that under no circumstances will I bring my players back to Detroit for a game this season. You can make me forfeit or whatever you want, eliminate me from the playoffs, but my players will not be treated to that kind of excessive abuse from fans.
People can post comments back to this and say whatever they want, I do not care. The Pacers and most especially Mr. Artest were the last ones to get involved in this entire incident. You can call Artest a punk or a loser or psycho, but in this case he was provoked by people who have no right to interact with him. I would hope that if anyone threw shit at you and poured stuff on you that you would step up and protect your manhood by throwing the guy through a plate glass window. I certainly know I would.
7 Comments:
Slipps, when you say "defending your manhood", you sound like Brett the Hitman Hart or something during a WWF backstage interview. I am not saying the whole indicidence was Artest's fault but I am not ready to give him the Lady Bing Award either. Yes, Ben Wallace overreacted to the foul and I agree the fan crossed the line in throwing a cup of ice at Artest, that fan should have been escorted out by security and hit with police charges. But here's the thing, Artest jumped into a hostile crowd of 15,000 people!!!! then accompanied by his tag team partner Stevie Jackson and started fighting. Were they even swinging at the right guy? Even roided up professional wrestlers show more common sense then that when faced with out of hand fans.
PS. Columbia got to be getting fired up with the ball coach coming to town. Hope he can find another Danny Frueffell to get the Gamecocks going, we'll see?
PSS - Cowboys v. Bears - maybe the worst T-giving game ever. I love it. Enjoy some Julius Jones with your cranberry sauce!!!!
Big Willie
First off, I just want to say everybody in my office looked to see what I was laughing about, so thank you for the hilarious post and comments...
OK, Ron Artest isn't that bad of a guy. He said two weeks ago that we wanted to take off the whole season. I don't know if he was thinking about not getting the check from it, but that's neither here nor there.
Kris is right, the fans are the ones to blame here cuz what we're not thinking about is Artest on the scorers table. I'm willing to bet Kris' cock that the guy was screaming obsenitites at Artest well before he threw the ice at him. That's why Ron goes right after that guy and beats the holy hell outta him.
I agree with Steven A. on ESPN, in that Steven Jackson should have recieved a larger penalty that Artest. He just runs into the crowd and levels a couple of random people and Ben Wallace needs to go back into the locker room and worry about his blow out. What was he over reacting about anyway? I'm sure he's delivered harder non-called fouls than that.
And where was security to stop the Pistons fan that walks up to Artest after the melee in the stands has calmed down? Artest's best punch was thrown against this guy, who walks up to him ON THE COURT after all this had just happened. What did he think Ron was going to do, give him an autograph and a smile?
On the beginning of the Herd on ESPN Radio on Monday, Colin believes the Pistons as a team should be penalized for their fans and I totally agree. Basketball games allow fans to get closer than any other professional sport, even golf has a rope that seperates players from fans.
The NBA loves to say it's fantastic and show players diving into the stands for loose balls. Add to that what Jason Whitlock was saying on Sports Reporters - it's the media's fault for some of this by telling this drunk idiots that they are the 6th man and they mean as much, if not more than the game itself.
How many times do you here about so and so doing it for the fans or trying to keep the supporters happy? I knew me and the fat man would see eye to stomach on this one and I'm sure he gets a big smile apon his face when you see Artest cold clock that guy in the Pistons jersey on the court.
By the way, thanks to this brawl, we've taken the spotlight away from a decent first performance by Eli Manning, proving that it was the right move by making plays that Kurt Warner couldn't physically make himself. The spotlight was off Winky Wright beating Shane Mosley again and South Carolina and Clemson getting into a bench clearing brawl themselves.
Regardless, we're all happy that Big Daddy Ron will have all year to help us promote our new CD.
Allure OUT.
Imperial Wizard~
Id like to add to your comments section by talking about the suspensions just handed down by the league regarding Artest and the Pacer bunch. First of all, Ben Wallace should be suspended longer for the reason that his push against Artest happened to be directed towards the throat. u know i dont agree with the artest suspension, i think it's ridiculous, but this is the result of another League cover-up. Anytime anything happens at an NBA, NFL, MLS, whatever you want, game, alcohol is involved. Half the people that go to the game wouldn't go if they couldn't get drunk there. The nba makes millions and millions off of fat ass slobs wasting $6 on a shot of beer at a game, then think they can get away with anything because they know the NBA is just a bunch of THUGS. david stern came down SOOOOO harsh, but if it were to cost him money to suspend players he wouldn't do it. If artest were say, michael jordan, who lived above the rules anyway, stern wouldn't have been as "apalled" or "repulsed". even if jermaine oneal had been jordan (or a white guy for that matter), 25 games?!? yeah right. i love it how in america, we can keep the pressure off of the real problem by "fixing" one that's not that broke. money rules the world no matter what anyone says. having a few drinks, getting plastered at a game and throwing beer on athletes is not a normal human being function----it relies on the alcohol to impair your judgement and causes you to do things you wouldn't normally do----however ANGER is a normal reaction when something awful is done to you. this reminds me of A Time to Kill--- Carl Lee killed the mfer's who raped his little girl, b/c he knew the injustice of the legal system---no it wasn't right to murder the two men, he took justice into his own hands, but everyone agrees with the verdict b/c NORMAL human reaction has to come into play. regarding artest, his normal reaction is to get up and kick the shit out of someone who assaulted him, even though it probably wasn't the "best" decision he could have made...signing of, bseegs
PS sorry it's so long, it'll probably be the only thing i ever post!
David Stern, the media, and everyone condemning this fight refuse to admit the ugly truth; we as human beings love to watch people fight. Does anybody think that that the next game played between these two team won't bring in record ratings numbers? It will, and not because people will want to watch this game and talk to each other about how classless the NBA players are. They will watch because deep down, we all want to see it happen again. I also watched the brawl live, and my reaction was what I believe to be the normlal, animalistic instinct. I was thrilled, excited, and invigorated all at the same time. It was on par with stumbeling into a good gang bang, and seeing a former teenage queen, the poster child of virtue, being fucked from every orface. What happened in grade school when two guys began to trade punches? Someone would invariably yell "Fight!!!" and we would all go running to see the spectacle. Times like these are what gets the blood flowing. Its about evolution, a good fight apeals to our caveman nature. All you have to do is watch the discovery channel and see two male lions fighting to the death over territory and the lioness pussy that goes with it. We admire the people with courage to fight because deep down we all have the urge, they are just the ones with the balls to do it. Who hasn't had a person cut you off while driving and wanted to run him off the road, pull him out of his car, and rip out his throat, Patrick Swayze "Roadhouse" style? To deny this over and over is downright dangerous. The Pacer players should be given a meddle.
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